Ernst: We always enjoyed sharing our story though. We want to share our story, and it’s a healthy story and a lot of people have the same story now. So that was the beginning and it was magical. Can I say what you said to me when we met?
Michael: What did I say to you?
Ernst: So, we met at a bookstore and I was actually looking at...
Michael: In the gender studies section.
Ernst: Yeah books that had names in it, and I was thinking about names for a child. And we were looking at each other. It was that you know that kind of thing where you know each other are but you kinda don’t want to make the person know that you are watching them. And I was ready to leave the shop. And he came up to me and said: If I don't say hello to you now, I don't think I’d might ever see you again. And that was the beginning and it’s been 20 years.
Tara: Wow, so you were a parent very young. You were still a university student.
Michael: I had, I had just graduated so I was 21 when Clara was born and you know and I can say that I knew I wanted to have kids. I didn’t think that the opportunity would have presented itself.
Tara: So early in your life. But it did.
Ernst: And we took it slowly.
Michael: It was the greatest thing that could have possibly happened for me and to for us, it was great.
Tara: You grew together as a couple at the same time as you grew together as two dads.
Michael: Yes at the same time.